Councilman Rasmussen opposes Nickerson road diet, neighbors form pro-diet support group

Posted on May 27th, 2010 by master


Over the last couple of weeks the proposed W Nickerson Street “road diet” has become a hot topic in the Queen Anne community. This week supporters of the plan to restructure Nickerson between Warren Ave N and 13th Ave W from two lanes in each direction to one, adding a middle turn lane and bicycle lane, found reinforcement in the recent release of an SDOT report indicating the positive effects of a similar “road diet” implemented along Stone Way N in Wallingford two years ago.

Citywide politicians have also been getting involved in the debate, including Mayor Mike McGinn who supports the plan, and Councilman Tom Rasmussen who this week said came out in opposition of the diet, which he says should be delayed until projects at other high-volume corridors including Mercer Street and the Alaskan Way Viaduct tunnel are completed in 2016. From our news partner, The Seattle Times:

Peter Hahn, the new transportation director, said he had authority to carry out the $200,000 makeover without further council or mayor actions — and if it failed, the road diet could be easily reversed.

Rasmussen says he heard an immediate outcry from neighborhood and Democrat groups. Nickerson is one of only two east-west streets directly feeding Ballard industries. Meanwhile, angry drivers tell the Times that bicyclists should use the Ship Canal Trail, a block away.

According to the Times, Seattle has completed some 24 “road diet” lane reductions citywide since 1972, and Mayor McGinn is pushing hard to continue the program.

The mayor, a longtime environmental activist, announced the Nickerson road diet May 11, as part of a re-emphasis on walking, biking and transit projects. One goal is for lower car speeds to improve pedestrian safety; the street passes through Seattle Pacific University.

Although SDOT says the road diet on Stone Way N has increased safety by significantly lowering the number of collisions between cars, bicycles and pedestrians along the stretch, Rasmussen said the council may work to stop the project by:

a) pass a budget proviso withholding road-diet money, b) pass a recommendation for or against the plan, or c) watch what happens, perhaps adding language repealing the road diet if things went bad.

Meanwhile, community members in support of the plan have organized a support group, Supporters of the Nickerson St. Road Diet, to counteract the recently formed 15th Ave W Coalition. Founder Charles Redell sent this letter out to community members today:

I first read about the 15th Ave. W Transportation Coalition earlier this week on Magnolia Voice. The fact that Magnolia Community Council wrote a letter against the proejct in which it claimed to represent 24,000 Magnolia residents got under my skin because I fully support the road diet for Nickerson. After reading the Stone Way Road Diet study and talking to a few people about the safety issues for bike rider and pedestrians on Nickerson St., I decided to start Supporters of the Nickerson St. Road Diet to see if we can get a group of people together to make it clear that many, many people in these neighborhoods of all stripes support this plan.

The Google group was created two days ago and is getting coverage in a few outlets already. People are joining the Facebook group and we are planning efforts to get the word out about the benefits this road diet will bring to the area. Among them are a safer street for pedestrians and bike riders, increased business opportunities for local, small businesses and a more livable neighborhood overall.

All supporters of the Road Diet are welcome to join and take part.

We’ll keep you posted as this discussion continues.


58 responses to “Councilman Rasmussen opposes Nickerson road diet, neighbors form pro-diet support group”

  1. Jake says:

    As a cyclist and a driver, I do not support this diet. This road already suffers from congestion with 2 lanes in each direction.
    Maybe they should make the vote up to the people who actually use the road frequently.

  2. Jake says:

    As a cyclist and a driver, I do not support this diet. This road already suffers from congestion with 2 lanes in each direction.
    Maybe they should make the vote up to the people who actually use the road frequently.

  3. 98119 says:

    I’ve lived up from W. Nickerson on 3rd Ave. W for 7+ years and there is zero congestion on this street. Heading West on Nickerson won’t be a problem even if the Ballard Bridge is up. No different than it is now. You’ll either break off to head South on 15th/City Center, head over to Fisherman’s Terminal or go over the Ballard Bridge. Those decisions are made after 13th Ave. West. There won’t be backup. Same is true in the opposite direction approaching Fremont/Westlake/Dexter after Warren.

  4. 98119 says:

    I’ve lived up from W. Nickerson on 3rd Ave. W for 7+ years and there is zero congestion on this street. Heading West on Nickerson won’t be a problem even if the Ballard Bridge is up. No different than it is now. You’ll either break off to head South on 15th/City Center, head over to Fisherman’s Terminal or go over the Ballard Bridge. Those decisions are made after 13th Ave. West. There won’t be backup. Same is true in the opposite direction approaching Fremont/Westlake/Dexter after Warren.

  5. Liz says:

    Actually, there is a lot of congestion in the AM during rush hour when you approach the Fremont bridge on Nickerson. I just rode it this morning (as I do every weekday) and couldn’t imagine it being one lane. West from the Fremont bridge is less congested, but that intersection is a concern. It gets VERY backed up right now, even with multiple lanes, particularly when the bridge is up.

  6. Liz says:

    Actually, there is a lot of congestion in the AM during rush hour when you approach the Fremont bridge on Nickerson. I just rode it this morning (as I do every weekday) and couldn’t imagine it being one lane. West from the Fremont bridge is less congested, but that intersection is a concern. It gets VERY backed up right now, even with multiple lanes, particularly when the bridge is up.

  7. Steve says:

    Actually, there is a lot of congestion in the AM during rush hour when you approach the Fremont bridge on Nickerson. I just rode it this morning (as I do every weekday) and couldn’t imagine it being one lane. West from the Fremont bridge is less congested, but that intersection is a concern. It gets VERY backed up right now, even with multiple lanes, particularly when the bridge is up.

  8. Steve says:

    Actually, there is a lot of congestion in the AM during rush hour when you approach the Fremont bridge on Nickerson. I just rode it this morning (as I do every weekday) and couldn’t imagine it being one lane. West from the Fremont bridge is less congested, but that intersection is a concern. It gets VERY backed up right now, even with multiple lanes, particularly when the bridge is up.

  9. walker says:

    Liz, the backups at the Fremont Bridge are precisely why the road diet would end at Warren Ave, well West of the bridge, allowing for queing. Congestion happens at the bridge, but otherwise Nickerson is a speedway. A turn lane would help eliminate lane-changing speedsters. I’ve never understood why drivers feel compelled to race through a university campus and around that dangerous bend where fatalities have occurred. Congestion? Let’s talk about the empty “bus lanes” on 15th next to the idling cars in the other two lanes. Add buses or eliminate the the so-called bus lanes.

  10. walker says:

    Liz, the backups at the Fremont Bridge are precisely why the road diet would end at Warren Ave, well West of the bridge, allowing for queing. Congestion happens at the bridge, but otherwise Nickerson is a speedway. A turn lane would help eliminate lane-changing speedsters. I’ve never understood why drivers feel compelled to race through a university campus and around that dangerous bend where fatalities have occurred. Congestion? Let’s talk about the empty “bus lanes” on 15th next to the idling cars in the other two lanes. Add buses or eliminate the the so-called bus lanes.

  11. mike says:

    A few things:

    1) The road diet plan extends to 3rd st. This is well west of any Fremont Bridge traffic.

    2) The ship canal trail ends abruptly at 6th st. And there is no commitment from the city on when this will be extended.

    3) This isn’t just about bikes. The average speed on Nickerson is well over 45 mph, making it very dangerous for everyone. The road diet will calm traffic back down to the 30 mph speed limit.

    4) Road diets work. Most recently, the Stone Way diet has reduced accidents and increased bike traffic.

  12. mike says:

    A few things:

    1) The road diet plan extends to 3rd st. This is well west of any Fremont Bridge traffic.

    2) The ship canal trail ends abruptly at 6th st. And there is no commitment from the city on when this will be extended.

    3) This isn’t just about bikes. The average speed on Nickerson is well over 45 mph, making it very dangerous for everyone. The road diet will calm traffic back down to the 30 mph speed limit.

    4) Road diets work. Most recently, the Stone Way diet has reduced accidents and increased bike traffic.

  13. Ken says:

    The traffic commonly backs up far to the west of 3rd avenue north (by Ponti, not to be confused with 3rd ave West, which runs up the hill by SPU). It is not unusual to see the traffic queue all the way to SPU at times in the afternoon. With one lane, this queue could go all the way the 15th West.

    If the intent is to reduce speeding, then take I5 down to one lane, that should stop freeway speeding. If the intent is to stop speeding, then try a direct control like enforcement.

    The bike lane now goes all the way to 13th, check it out. There is no reason it can’t be finished over to Fish terminal, get on it city!

    I think SPU knew that Nickerson was there before they expanded across the street, perhaps they should install a pedestrian overpass.
    How will things work out when SPU builds their massive new performing arts center on 3rd?

  14. Ken says:

    The traffic commonly backs up far to the west of 3rd avenue north (by Ponti, not to be confused with 3rd ave West, which runs up the hill by SPU). It is not unusual to see the traffic queue all the way to SPU at times in the afternoon. With one lane, this queue could go all the way the 15th West.

    If the intent is to reduce speeding, then take I5 down to one lane, that should stop freeway speeding. If the intent is to stop speeding, then try a direct control like enforcement.

    The bike lane now goes all the way to 13th, check it out. There is no reason it can’t be finished over to Fish terminal, get on it city!

    I think SPU knew that Nickerson was there before they expanded across the street, perhaps they should install a pedestrian overpass.
    How will things work out when SPU builds their massive new performing arts center on 3rd?

  15. Mike says:

    Ken – correction. The diet plan extends to Warren Ave, which is still west of most of the backups caused by the Fremont Bridge.

    And even if the ship canal trail is extended through to Magnolia, it’s still unsafe to cross Nickerson at any point west of 3rd Ave W. But for now it can’t be extended because the city is waiting on BNSF to remove the tracks, which it is in no hurry to do.

    The real question is this. Do you want to live in a city where the only safe way to travel is surrounded by 3000 lbs of steel?

  16. Mike says:

    Ken – correction. The diet plan extends to Warren Ave, which is still west of most of the backups caused by the Fremont Bridge.

    And even if the ship canal trail is extended through to Magnolia, it’s still unsafe to cross Nickerson at any point west of 3rd Ave W. But for now it can’t be extended because the city is waiting on BNSF to remove the tracks, which it is in no hurry to do.

    The real question is this. Do you want to live in a city where the only safe way to travel is surrounded by 3000 lbs of steel?

  17. QA Resident says:

    Traffic never queues all the way to SPU (3rd Ave. W.)

  18. QA Resident says:

    Traffic never queues all the way to SPU (3rd Ave. W.)

  19. Matt the Engineer says:

    The reason road diets work* is that you’re matching the capacity of a road to the capacity of the nearest bottlenecks. Currently, we drive 45 for a minute, then wait 10 minutes to get onto the Ballard bridge. Or drive 45 for a minute and wait 10 minutes to get past the Fremont bridge (whether or not you’re heading onto it). The 45mph makes you feel good for that minute, but it doesn’t speed up your trip in the slightest. All it does is make it very dangerous for the pedestrians on Nickerson.

    This road is right next to a college, yet there are few pedestrians on it. Why? Because it’s practically a freeway. Imagine how well the businesses on this road would do if pedestrians felt comfortable there. We’d get new restaurants and shops along the road. All without adding a minute to your commute.

    * and they do work, we have evidence of this stemming back all the way to the ’70s right here in Seattle

  20. Matt the Engineer says:

    The reason road diets work* is that you’re matching the capacity of a road to the capacity of the nearest bottlenecks. Currently, we drive 45 for a minute, then wait 10 minutes to get onto the Ballard bridge. Or drive 45 for a minute and wait 10 minutes to get past the Fremont bridge (whether or not you’re heading onto it). The 45mph makes you feel good for that minute, but it doesn’t speed up your trip in the slightest. All it does is make it very dangerous for the pedestrians on Nickerson.

    This road is right next to a college, yet there are few pedestrians on it. Why? Because it’s practically a freeway. Imagine how well the businesses on this road would do if pedestrians felt comfortable there. We’d get new restaurants and shops along the road. All without adding a minute to your commute.

    * and they do work, we have evidence of this stemming back all the way to the ’70s right here in Seattle

  21. Patrick says:

    Anyone else think they are being a little quick on the trigger?? Sure maybe Nickerson Street needs a diet but wait until the Viaduct is finished. Where do they think all those cars are going to go? Think pedestrian safety is bad now wait til those cars start using your neighborhood for a shortcut!

  22. Patrick says:

    Anyone else think they are being a little quick on the trigger?? Sure maybe Nickerson Street needs a diet but wait until the Viaduct is finished. Where do they think all those cars are going to go? Think pedestrian safety is bad now wait til those cars start using your neighborhood for a shortcut!

  23. Matt the Engineer says:

    Wait another 6+ years? For what? Traffic capacity will be the same after the road diet, since this stretch of road is not the bottleneck.

  24. Matt the Engineer says:

    Wait another 6+ years? For what? Traffic capacity will be the same after the road diet, since this stretch of road is not the bottleneck.

  25. Patrick says:

    Why not wait 6 years Matt? It seems thats how long it takes them to repair roads and sidewalks that actually NEED repairs! I am sure there are better ways to spend our taxpayer funds….

  26. Patrick says:

    Why not wait 6 years Matt? It seems thats how long it takes them to repair roads and sidewalks that actually NEED repairs! I am sure there are better ways to spend our taxpayer funds….

  27. Matt the Engineer says:

    Then pedestrian safety? How many people will be hit in those 6 years?

    I really don’t get why QA is against this. It’s not even a car-vs-walking issue – it won’t reduce traffic volumes at all!

  28. Matt the Engineer says:

    Then pedestrian safety? How many people will be hit in those 6 years?

    I really don’t get why QA is against this. It’s not even a car-vs-walking issue – it won’t reduce traffic volumes at all!

  29. Steve C says:

    @Matt asks: Why is QA against this?

    Here’s my take, just a guess 🙂
    A year ago the city said this: “You’re right, this might make things worse until Mercer is fixed up, let’s wait.”
    But suddenly, it’s back, and with a vengeance. McGinn’s agenda / mandate seems quite clear (get people out of cars), and it riles people up who might otherwise be willing to have a reasonable discussion.
    Personally, I’m on the fence about this, perhaps slightly in favor, and am looking for a clear dialog/discussion about the pros/cons. But this feels like a surprise mandate, a fait accompli, and that bugs me.

    Hope this helps 🙂

  30. Steve C says:

    @Matt asks: Why is QA against this?

    Here’s my take, just a guess 🙂
    A year ago the city said this: “You’re right, this might make things worse until Mercer is fixed up, let’s wait.”
    But suddenly, it’s back, and with a vengeance. McGinn’s agenda / mandate seems quite clear (get people out of cars), and it riles people up who might otherwise be willing to have a reasonable discussion.
    Personally, I’m on the fence about this, perhaps slightly in favor, and am looking for a clear dialog/discussion about the pros/cons. But this feels like a surprise mandate, a fait accompli, and that bugs me.

    Hope this helps 🙂

  31. John M says:

    This is about as close to a no-brainer as one can get if funding is available. Pros: more livable, safer, MORE business for local shops through increased pedestrian and vehicle exposure. Hard to see what you’re passing in a car when you’re driving 45+! Cons?

  32. John M says:

    This is about as close to a no-brainer as one can get if funding is available. Pros: more livable, safer, MORE business for local shops through increased pedestrian and vehicle exposure. Hard to see what you’re passing in a car when you’re driving 45+! Cons?

  33. Matt the Engineer says:

    [Steve], I didn’t know about the previous conversation with the city about this. What bugs me is that Magnolia, the QACC, and the 36th Democrats had all jumped in with the fight against this well before McGinn had made his announcement. It smells like private lobbyists to me, and I haven’t heard intelligent debate from the “no” side.

  34. Matt the Engineer says:

    [Steve], I didn’t know about the previous conversation with the city about this. What bugs me is that Magnolia, the QACC, and the 36th Democrats had all jumped in with the fight against this well before McGinn had made his announcement. It smells like private lobbyists to me, and I haven’t heard intelligent debate from the “no” side.

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  37. afriye13 says:

    Matt the E. – how many pedestrians have been struck in the past few years?

  38. afriye13 says:

    Matt the E. – how many pedestrians have been struck in the past few years?

  39. JESilverstein says:

    The problem with comparing the Nickerson St “diet” with the Stone Way change is that Stone Way has never had the traffic volume that Nickerson does. Those of us who live within a couple of blocks of Nickerson regularly see two lanes of traffic backed up for blocks and blocks when the Fremont Bridge goes up or during the height of rush hour. There are times when people trying to get onto Nickerson from Etruria or Florentia sit for 20 minutes trying to get on to the arterial. Reducing traffic lanes on Nickerson will cause more problems than it will solve. I dread what’s to come.

  40. JESilverstein says:

    The problem with comparing the Nickerson St “diet” with the Stone Way change is that Stone Way has never had the traffic volume that Nickerson does. Those of us who live within a couple of blocks of Nickerson regularly see two lanes of traffic backed up for blocks and blocks when the Fremont Bridge goes up or during the height of rush hour. There are times when people trying to get onto Nickerson from Etruria or Florentia sit for 20 minutes trying to get on to the arterial. Reducing traffic lanes on Nickerson will cause more problems than it will solve. I dread what’s to come.

  41. hught78 says:

    @JESilverstein – Traffic volume on Stone Way was less, but not significantly so. They observed a 6% reduction in volume as a result of their road diet, do you not welcome that potential on Nickerson? Also, there will still be two lanes at Etruria and Florentia so traffic will not be impacted at these locations. Wait times will stay the same.

    We’ve got to remember that the bottlenecks are the Fremont Bridge and the Ballard Bridge, nothing is changing here. Fewer lanes in-between just means you’ll get to these bottlenecks tens of seconds later than normal. This is because you won’t have a choice BUT to follow the speed limit.

  42. hught78 says:

    @JESilverstein – Traffic volume on Stone Way was less, but not significantly so. They observed a 6% reduction in volume as a result of their road diet, do you not welcome that potential on Nickerson? Also, there will still be two lanes at Etruria and Florentia so traffic will not be impacted at these locations. Wait times will stay the same.

    We’ve got to remember that the bottlenecks are the Fremont Bridge and the Ballard Bridge, nothing is changing here. Fewer lanes in-between just means you’ll get to these bottlenecks tens of seconds later than normal. This is because you won’t have a choice BUT to follow the speed limit.

  43. Brent says:

    No, we pedestrians are not going to wait six years to stop the speeders. That request is not acceptable.

    This project has already been stalled for over a year. Yes, let’s hold one more hearing, but then let’s move forward and get it done.

  44. Brent says:

    No, we pedestrians are not going to wait six years to stop the speeders. That request is not acceptable.

    This project has already been stalled for over a year. Yes, let’s hold one more hearing, but then let’s move forward and get it done.

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